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Poster: Moongleam Date: Aug 9, 2008 6:03pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Is "Side Street" (1950) in the p.d.?

I couldn't find a renewal at

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Poster: k-otic Date: Aug 10, 2008 1:13am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Is "Side Street" (1950) in the p.d.?

There`s an Copyright assignment-transfer of copyright notice for this title (along with 30,007 other titles) to Warner Brothers Entertainment, Inc.

Now it becomes tricky .. is an transfer of copyright a copyright renewal of some sort?
If it is so you can close this entire section and forget about movies being in the public domain...

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Poster: Video-Cellar Date: Aug 10, 2008 3:30pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Is "Side Street" (1950) in the p.d.?

Transfer of copyright or copyright assignment notices is meaningless to the copyright status of a work. The two most common reasons for these notices are:

Doc # V3531D724 tells the story of a person by the name of John Carr who sold a PD film archive to AIM Group, LLC. This is most probably a transfer of the copyright interest in the physical masters.

Copyright is often assigned as collateral for a loan such as doc # V3190P481. These are a type of copyright mortgage.

Remember also that the copyright office files everything it receives. When looking at renewals for movies before 1964 look for the date. Many movies where renewed late. The renewal is still on file. Not that it matters much for a movie made in 1972 but Thursday's Game was renewed 9 months into it's 29th year. Its renewal is still on file RE0000829415. For pre-1964 films if the renewal is even a day late the film is PD.

Another thing to be weary of is GATT/URAA restorations. You have to do some further research. A filed notice of intent is not a judgement that copyright was restored. You have to find out whether the film was PD in it's home country in 1996 (regardless of it's home status now) and whether it was premiered in USA within 30 days of it home release. If it was released in USA before anywhere else it doesn't qualify as a foreign film.

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Aug 10, 2008 7:25pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Is "Side Street" (1950) in the p.d.?

How did you find that?

I set the Search Limits to Motion Pictures,
and then did a title search for "Side Street".
This was the only hit:

Side streets.
Type of Work: Motion Picture
Registration Number / Date: PAu002288958 / 1998-05-15
Title: Side streets.
Description: Videocassette ; 1/2 in.
Copyright Claimant: Side Street Productions, Inc.
Date of Creation: 1998

Names: Side Street Productions, Inc.

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Poster: k-otic Date: Aug 11, 2008 2:19am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Is "Side Street" (1950) in the p.d.?

It was on a bulk transfer list from 2003
MGM/UA transfered the copyright of some films to Time Warner. At that time Time Warner were preparing to takeover MGM/UA
I am not sure if the list is still valid because MGM/UA now belongs to Sony Pictures Entertainment.

This post was modified by k-otic on 2008-08-11 09:19:28

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Poster: Moongleam Date: Aug 11, 2008 2:32pm
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Is "Side Street" (1950) in the p.d.?

Even if a transfer of copyright is a renewal, it was too late. 2003 - 1950 = 53

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Poster: Fact_Checker Date: May 28, 2009 6:22am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Is "Side Street" (1950) in the p.d.?

Moongleam wrote:
> I couldn't find a renewal at

What you need to understand is that your search for a renewal on a 1950 work shouldn't end with

It has always been the case with 1909-1977 works that copyright renewal occurs in the last year of the first term. For a 1950 work, this means from the 27TH ANNIVERSARY. The opportunity to renew began in 1977. The database includes only records from 1978 and later. 1977 is too early for a database which begins in 1978. Thus, because the renewal could have occurred in 1977 or 1978, you shouldn't think you've hit a brick wall simply because the renewal wasn't among the 1978 records (and thus not in

You really need to consider what year(s) a work could have validly been renewed. I suggest you start with a table such as this one at

Scroll down slightly to where there is a table headed "Was a renewal filing found? If so, use this table". This will provide information on which range of dates are valid. The term "anniversary date" is used because each 1950 work can have any of 365 possible copyright-beginning dates.

I also suggest using the charts on the other parts of the page for answers to other aspects of copyright which might affect this or any other work.